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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Nov 2010 03:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny how commonly people over-think diet - as if it&#039;s more complicated than eating nutrient rich foods that minimize suffering. 

Can&#039;t believe I only now found your site. Subscribed. Keep it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny how commonly people over-think diet &#8211; as if it&#8217;s more complicated than eating nutrient rich foods that minimize suffering. </p>
<p>Can&#8217;t believe I only now found your site. Subscribed. Keep it up.</p>
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		<title>By: chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 00:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally the first time I&#039;ve ever seen Zerzan mentioned as a more mainstream writer. Awesome.

I&#039;ve been in the whole Crossfit/Paleo scene and observed people doing very well on this &quot;diet&quot; (improved cholesterol, body composition, energy levels), but have also witnessed my wife&#039;s tremendous success with whole food veganism (limited soy, limited boxed foods)

For both, I think what&#039;s excluded is important. Processed dairy, shitty cookies and Chicken Nuggets are off both lists.

Veganism has the benefit of posessing a moral center. Hard core vegans never falter, cave dieters will give into the temptation of factory meat all too often (my own experience).  

And yeah, glorifying/mystifying cave men is stupid. I&#039;ll go watch Encino Man for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally the first time I&#8217;ve ever seen Zerzan mentioned as a more mainstream writer. Awesome.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been in the whole Crossfit/Paleo scene and observed people doing very well on this &#8220;diet&#8221; (improved cholesterol, body composition, energy levels), but have also witnessed my wife&#8217;s tremendous success with whole food veganism (limited soy, limited boxed foods)</p>
<p>For both, I think what&#8217;s excluded is important. Processed dairy, shitty cookies and Chicken Nuggets are off both lists.</p>
<p>Veganism has the benefit of posessing a moral center. Hard core vegans never falter, cave dieters will give into the temptation of factory meat all too often (my own experience).  </p>
<p>And yeah, glorifying/mystifying cave men is stupid. I&#8217;ll go watch Encino Man for that.</p>
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		<title>By: gord</title>
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		<dc:creator>gord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 22:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the veggies here should read &quot;the vegetarian myth&quot;.  explains a lot!!!.  we did eat meat (and organs, eyeballs, hearts, etc) and a lot at one sitting but berries, nuts and fruit were there to hold them over until the next kill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the veggies here should read &#8220;the vegetarian myth&#8221;.  explains a lot!!!.  we did eat meat (and organs, eyeballs, hearts, etc) and a lot at one sitting but berries, nuts and fruit were there to hold them over until the next kill.</p>
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		<title>By: Gretchen Hanson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gretchen Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 23:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo Joelle! Couldnt have stated it better. My ancestors drank raw blood with their kill, think I&#039;ll evolve and pass on the pleasure ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo Joelle! Couldnt have stated it better. My ancestors drank raw blood with their kill, think I&#8217;ll evolve and pass on the pleasure <img src='http://www.thediscerningbrute.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Olivia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Olivia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 04:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a vegan crossfitter and I found this very informative.  I also am not pale, thin, or weak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a vegan crossfitter and I found this very informative.  I also am not pale, thin, or weak.</p>
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		<title>By: joshuakatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>joshuakatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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&quot;The saliva of carnivorous animals does not contain digestive enzymes. When eating, a mammalian carnivore gorges itself rapidly and does not chew its food. Since proteolytic (protein-digesting) enzymes cannot be liberated in the mouth due to the danger of autodigestion (damaging the oral cavity), carnivores do not need to mix their food with saliva; they simply bite off huge chunks of meat and swallow them whole.

According to evolutionary theory, the anatomical features consistent with an herbivorous diet represent a more recently derived condition than that of the carnivore. Herbivorous mammals have well-developed facial musculature, fleshy lips, a relatively small opening into the oral cavity and a thickened, muscular tongue. The lips aid in the movement of food into the mouth and, along with the facial (cheek) musculature and tongue, assist in the chewing of food. In herbivores, the jaw joint has moved to position above the plane of the teeth. Although this type of joint is less stable than the hinge-type joint of the carnivore, it is much more mobile and allows the complex jaw motions needed when chewing plant foods. Additionally, this type of jaw joint allows the upper and lower cheek teeth to come together along the length of the jaw more or less at once when the mouth is closed in order to form grinding platforms. (This type of joint is so important to a plant-eating animal, that it is believed to have evolved at least 15 different times in various plant-eating mammalian species.) The angle of the mandible has expanded to provide a broad area of attachment for the well-developed masseter and pterygoid muscles (these are the major muscles of chewing in plant-eating animals). The temporalis muscle is small and of minor importance. The masseter and pterygoid muscles hold the mandible in a sling-like arrangement and swing the jaw from side-to-side. Accordingly, the lower jaw of plant-eating mammals has a pronounced sideways motion when eating. This lateral movement is necessary for the grinding motion of chewing.

The dentition of herbivores is quite varied depending on the kind of vegetation a particular species is adapted to eat. Although these animals differ in the types and numbers of teeth they posses, the various kinds of teeth when present, share common structural features. The incisors are broad, flattened and spade-like. Canines may be small as in horses, prominent as in hippos, pigs and some primates (these are thought to be used for defense) or absent altogether. The molars, in general, are squared and flattened on top to provide a grinding surface. The molars cannot vertically slide past one another in a shearing/slicing motion, but they do horizontally slide across one another to crush and grind. The surface features of the molars vary depending on the type of plant material the animal eats. The teeth of herbivorous animals are closely grouped so that the incisors form an efficient cropping/biting mechanism, and the upper and lower molars form extended platforms for crushing and grinding. The &quot;walled-in&quot; oral cavity has a lot of potential space that is realized during eating.&quot;</description>
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<p>&#8220;The saliva of carnivorous animals does not contain digestive enzymes. When eating, a mammalian carnivore gorges itself rapidly and does not chew its food. Since proteolytic (protein-digesting) enzymes cannot be liberated in the mouth due to the danger of autodigestion (damaging the oral cavity), carnivores do not need to mix their food with saliva; they simply bite off huge chunks of meat and swallow them whole.</p>
<p>According to evolutionary theory, the anatomical features consistent with an herbivorous diet represent a more recently derived condition than that of the carnivore. Herbivorous mammals have well-developed facial musculature, fleshy lips, a relatively small opening into the oral cavity and a thickened, muscular tongue. The lips aid in the movement of food into the mouth and, along with the facial (cheek) musculature and tongue, assist in the chewing of food. In herbivores, the jaw joint has moved to position above the plane of the teeth. Although this type of joint is less stable than the hinge-type joint of the carnivore, it is much more mobile and allows the complex jaw motions needed when chewing plant foods. Additionally, this type of jaw joint allows the upper and lower cheek teeth to come together along the length of the jaw more or less at once when the mouth is closed in order to form grinding platforms. (This type of joint is so important to a plant-eating animal, that it is believed to have evolved at least 15 different times in various plant-eating mammalian species.) The angle of the mandible has expanded to provide a broad area of attachment for the well-developed masseter and pterygoid muscles (these are the major muscles of chewing in plant-eating animals). The temporalis muscle is small and of minor importance. The masseter and pterygoid muscles hold the mandible in a sling-like arrangement and swing the jaw from side-to-side. Accordingly, the lower jaw of plant-eating mammals has a pronounced sideways motion when eating. This lateral movement is necessary for the grinding motion of chewing.</p>
<p>The dentition of herbivores is quite varied depending on the kind of vegetation a particular species is adapted to eat. Although these animals differ in the types and numbers of teeth they posses, the various kinds of teeth when present, share common structural features. The incisors are broad, flattened and spade-like. Canines may be small as in horses, prominent as in hippos, pigs and some primates (these are thought to be used for defense) or absent altogether. The molars, in general, are squared and flattened on top to provide a grinding surface. The molars cannot vertically slide past one another in a shearing/slicing motion, but they do horizontally slide across one another to crush and grind. The surface features of the molars vary depending on the type of plant material the animal eats. The teeth of herbivorous animals are closely grouped so that the incisors form an efficient cropping/biting mechanism, and the upper and lower molars form extended platforms for crushing and grinding. The &#8220;walled-in&#8221; oral cavity has a lot of potential space that is realized during eating.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 15:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@joshuakatcher This one is so easy.  Of I could sight the works of Michael Pollan and so many other real scientist, but if you really want to see the evolutionary facts that we ate a great deal of meat then just open your mouth.  The teeth we have are designed for chewing meat.  You do not evolve teeth like humans have unless you spent hundreds of thousands of year eating meat.  You don&#039;t need these these to eat fruit or yams or lettuce.  If you are a vegggies only I am sure no argument I can make will change your mind and thus we must disagree.  Our teeth are simply clear facts right in your face, pun intended.  If you want to make a case against eating dairy then we agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@joshuakatcher This one is so easy.  Of I could sight the works of Michael Pollan and so many other real scientist, but if you really want to see the evolutionary facts that we ate a great deal of meat then just open your mouth.  The teeth we have are designed for chewing meat.  You do not evolve teeth like humans have unless you spent hundreds of thousands of year eating meat.  You don&#8217;t need these these to eat fruit or yams or lettuce.  If you are a vegggies only I am sure no argument I can make will change your mind and thus we must disagree.  Our teeth are simply clear facts right in your face, pun intended.  If you want to make a case against eating dairy then we agree.</p>
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		<title>By: joshuakatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>joshuakatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Brett, I&#039;d love to see some facts to back up your claims that are not from the 1970s. It&#039;s easy enough to brush something off by reacting as if it&#039;s ridiculous. I&#039;m simply bringing up legitimate anthropological, evolutionary, and scientific evidence I found. I never said prehistoric people did not eat meat. I said the majority of them ate a lot less meat than we think they did, which is backed up by science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brett, I&#8217;d love to see some facts to back up your claims that are not from the 1970s. It&#8217;s easy enough to brush something off by reacting as if it&#8217;s ridiculous. I&#8217;m simply bringing up legitimate anthropological, evolutionary, and scientific evidence I found. I never said prehistoric people did not eat meat. I said the majority of them ate a lot less meat than we think they did, which is backed up by science.</p>
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